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Emily Springer's avatar

Great post, Kadrian! Thanks for mentioning my growing Substack in your recommendations. It has been wonderful to read your work and connect. In regards to navigating our relationship as listeners to artists who are problematic. It is always a worth while conversation to have and there isn't a simple answer. Opinions will differ from listener to listener and I do think it is easier to cut out particular artists based on what their actions or statements were and what type of relationship is had with their music. What I do find interesting are the artists you mentioned you no longer engage with because of purposeful malice ( R. Kelly, Chris Brown, Michael Jackson, and Kanye West) versus who you’re struggling with (David Bowie, John Lennon, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Weezer). Though I agree that everyone in the first group have larger “stains” as Dederer puts it, I would also point out the level of scrutiny Black artists are consistently met with and how public any negative action is. Whereas someone like John Lennon can create a “stain” that is only spoken about in hushed tones until his death and very rarely brought up in the telling of his story. You can’t address the first group of names with out their stains coming up, they are forever synonymous with those actions, where the second group are still musicians first. I’m interested in how our unconscious bias may play into our ability to cut the cord. Someone I’m constantly thinking about is Willie Colon, he’s so integral to salsa, but has said such awful things. Would love to know if you have any thoughts on this.

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Michael K. Fell's avatar

Not surprised by Paul Stanley's problematic and transphobic comment as the lyrics to many songs by Kiss were also deeply misogynistic. That said, A LOT of music is, and Kiss are by no means alone when it comes to toxic masculinity, sexism and misogyny. The bigger question you raise of separating the art from the artist is a fantastic conversation that everybody needs to have with themselves. Especially as we all consume so much and with that consumption comes the real possibility of directly and indirectly supporting and enabling reprehensible behaviors. Same with sport and film stars. Can one separate the team from the player, or the film from the actor? The Cleveland Browns showering Deshaun Watson with millions of dollars to be the face of their franchise, Kobe Bryant and his now legendary status, Johnny Depp and Kevin Spacey all come to mind. In the end, everybody has to make up their own mind and decide where they morally stand. It's good food for thought and well done on your essay. Oh, and Claire Dederer's book is a fantastic read!

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